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Crossing Logs #15147 11/13/06 11:42 PM
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LOG CROSSINGS, ONE RIDER'S THOUGHTS:

INTRODUCTION:

I thought I'd bring this one out under its own topic because it's very specific. Here at XT225.com I see very little hard core technical riding with a motocross style under pinning. Nonetheless I'm thinking there are a few riders out there that enjoy the technical aspects of trail riding. Perhaps this article will help them discover a new skill or two to keep handy in their rider's tool kit. There are a zillion different log crossing situations and an equal number of ways to get over them. On our trails here at home, log crossing are very common, ranging in size from 4" to 18" with occurrences between the 15 and 20 mark. Not being comfortable with managing these obstacles detracts from the enjoyment of the ride and dilutes the feeling of "self satisfaction" when the ride concludes. For me if you're going to ride around obstacles what's the point of trail riding in the woods. There are few absolutes when it comes to skills based technical maneuvers and crossing logs is no exception. If you already have a comfortable approach to the log crossing problem then go with what's safe, works and gets the job done. I wouldn't recommend any of these techniques for the big adventure bikes. If log crossings are an infrequent occurrence on your local trails perhaps there isn't much point to investing time in acquiring this skill when time could be better used elsewhere.


This article will develop the log crossing technique from a more "trials style" approach. For me it's the most comfortable approach and is easily adapted to many log crossing situations. "Trials style" crossings are also more difficult to learn and require practice to get them dialed. If you are unwilling or unable to invest time in dedicated practice the value of this article will be marginal at best.


LOG CROSSING TYPES:

To start, it will be helpful to identify a collection of the more common log crossing situations. First a log that has been built up on either its entrance, exit or both isn't a true log crossing. These is referred to as log "pile ups" or "build ups". Crossing this type of obstacle is a different situation than a crossing that results from natural blow down. A tree trunk or large branch "blown down" on the trail very rarely has any entrance or exit perks. I say very rarely because some trees will fall near a rock or other timber which may provide a boost. This is rare so plan your obstacle management techniques on the more common worst case situation. Large diameter logs require more skill to cross and error penalties are higher in this situation. Don't try to be a hero when it comes to obstacles. Don't ride obstacles alone either. Know your limits and ride within your ability. Increase your limits by practicing on easy stuff first and working your way up as skill is gained.

1) Straight log - This log is basic and lies in such a way that it can be crossed at 90 degrees to its axis. Little to no space exists between 6 O'Clock and ground.

2) Angled log - Same as #1 but can't be managed straight on.

3) Air log - A #1 or #2 log situation with an air space between 6 O'Clock and ground. Crossing height is increased independent of log diameter.

Most naturally occurring obstacles tend to be somewhat nonlinear and irregular. Log crossings are no exception. Subtle angles, reliefs and crowns will affect how the bike will respond when its tires (and frame) collide with the log. Inclines and declines will alter how the front wheel lofts and must be compensated for. Whether the log is secure should also be determined by inspection before crossing it. The same can be said for traction variations. Know the terrain before during and after the log crossing. Wet logs with no bark are like ice and should be handled with extreme caution. Dead or rotted logs may contain huge bee's nests inside. Bees don't take kindly to a motorcycle slamming into their home. When temperatures permit insects to fly, be on your guard for this situation. It's all part of the package when riding in the woods.

A WORD ABOUT KICKER JUMPS:


A kicker jump is a mound of sorts whose width is less than the wheel base of your bike. This means as the front wheel begins to move down the exit edge the rear is just starting or soon to start up the entrance edge. The bike is in essence straddling the mound. Kicker jumps, if ridden flat, will impart a forward roll to the bike. This happens as the front moves down, the rear moves up and the rear shock unloads as the rear wheel clears the summit of the mount. This will cause the rear to kick up abruptly hence the name kicker jump. If severe enough you can get spanked by the seat and over the bars you go. Bikes with large suspension travel and a rider mass in the seat can reduce this effect. The XT isn't a big suspension bike so consideration must be given to kicker jumps. As you may have surmised logs fit into the kicker jump family.


LOFTING THE FRONT WHEEL:

Being able to loft the front wheel is a mandatory skill for "trials style" riding. Since the XT tends to have a heavy front end and Spartan power, lofting the front wheel requires more than just stabbing on the throttle. I don't recommend clutch dumping techniques either as they create HUGE stresses in the drive train. Repeated clutch dumping will certainly shorten your drive train's life expectancy. A softer approach is to use your body weight to preload the front forks. As the forks unload, pull up and back on the bars. At the same time shift your weight rearward and roll on some throttle. This will work well in 1st or 2nd gear. You need to be on a surface that provides good bite for the rear wheel. To get started coordinating preload, weight shift and throttle you can pop the front wheel up by riding over a speed bump or something similar. Practice this until you can get it dialed. As you improve, work on holding the front wheel up for several feet. This isn't a wheelie so there is no need to get close to the balance point. For safety I suggest you stay well below the balance point so the front can be dropped immediately by rolling off the throttle. Developing the skill to loft the front wheel is a prerequisite for "trials style" log crossings. There are no short cuts or quick and easy methods for front wheel lofting techniques.


CROSSING A LOG:

A "trials style" log crossing is a very dynamic move requiring good throttle punch, preload, timing and weight shift. It doesn't rely on excessive suspension travel to suck up the obstacle. The idea is to kiss the front tire off the log's 10-11 O'Clock point then drive the rear tire straight into the log while holding the front up with the throttle and weight shift. Accurate and precise throttle control are necessary to keep the front above the horizontal during the move. When the back tire hits, the rear suspension loads and the bike decelerates suddenly. This will tend to cause the front to dive. If the front is in proper position it will dive to just above horizontal which is perfect. This holds the rear wheel in contact with the log as it drives over the top. When the rear shock unloads the bike will come back to level or just slightly rear wheel low. You are then in good position to land both wheels at once or do a rear front touch down as you drive off the log. You are driving off the log not over it at this point. Done properly the bash plate never hits. This is a beautiful move when done correctly and the bike will float up and over the log effortlessly. Very little speed is required. If you're slamming, banging or getting tossed around you're not doing something correctly. Remember to practice 1000 times for best results.

For logs that are on an angle (can't be crossed at 90 degrees) you need to minimize front wheel contact. An angle tends to force the bike to shift right or left abruptly which is felt as a strong pull on the handle bars. The more front tire contact you have the stronger this pulling effect is. It tends to throw your balance off. In extreme angle cases (or very slippery logs) the front wheel will shear down the log and down you go. Often times the rear wheel will slide sideways too as it crosses. You need to ride this skid out by steering with it and maintaining balance. Practice on small angled logs first to get the feel of it. Practice on both sides to avoid developing a weak side.

Air logs are tough and can resemble a limbo bar if they are high enough. The problem with air logs is their center is more than radius high. This means the log contact point may be above the center axle height of the rear wheel. This tends to kick the rear wheel back and down instead of up and over. Air logs that are too high can't be crossed without gobs of suspension travel and an aggressive attack. This is risky for the amateur sport rider. If you think the log situation will kick your rear tire back and down it's best to find a route around this particular air log.

Keep in mind lofting the front wheel is easier going up hill and more difficult coming down hill. Remember this when crossing logs on inclines and compensate for it. It's a good idea to keep the sense of your weight up hill. Again practice log crossings on hills to gain the required adjustments and posture. Start small and work your way up to going big. I hope this helps you develop a technical skill that enhances your riding enjoyment. Why ride an obstacle? Simply because it's there!


A "trials style" log crossing about 3/4 completed. The front tire has kissed off the log and I have driven the rear wheel into the log whilst holding the front up with the throttle. Notice the rear suspension bottomed out due to the impact. The collision of rear wheel into log levels the bike out as it is driven off the top. Throttle control and weight shift are critical at this point to complete the landing. Notice the handle bars pulled back to my waist. In an instant I will push the bike away from me to keep the front light. Some stand over distance is required to allow the rear shock to unload. The bash plate has never even come close to hitting the log at any time during this crossing.


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Muniac] #15164 11/14/06 11:07 AM
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Scott,

Great article and picture. I think subconsciously I apply the trials technique. Some of my crossings are good, others, well lets just say we made it!

Brs,

Don V.


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Don Verbeck] #15167 11/14/06 01:41 PM
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Don - Thanks. As mentioned, there are a few nuts out there that enjoy this crap. Not all your crossings are going to be perfect. No harm done. I've slammed my way over enough logs to piss me off for a while. I'm thinking about hitting up the Trials Training Center in TN sometime soon. Kathy (crash) surfaced this one. It should be a fun time.


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Muniac] #15178 11/14/06 07:15 PM
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Hi Scott,

wonderfully helpful article.

More please!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Muniac] #15181 11/14/06 09:38 PM
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Muniac -
Thanks for the most thorough and detailed article on log crossing that I have enjoyed to date.

If you’d allow me to add a few thoughts to “lofting the front wheel”... or “front wheel unloading” as it might be called.
This I think too is absolutely the most critical part of the obstacle crossing process, and something that I have found as a lesson is hard to get across in words alone. Pictures or video would do it more justice, or better yet, some practical lessons. I came across a good explanation somewhere (I wish I could recall...) that put it something like this...
About two feet from the obstacle, suddenly collapse your knees so that your full body weight comes down on the foot pegs. The hard down force will compress (or load) the suspension. At the same time the suspension unloads, blip the throttle and pull back on the handlebars...it went on to say that if this sounded too difficult then just do a good firm *stomp* on the pegs followed by throttle and pull back on the bars.
It’s really much easier than it sounds
I hope it’s also self explanatory that this process be done STANDING.
And even if the terrain is wet or without good traction, this technique will at the least take much of the weight off the front end and allow the crossing to go much better than a full-on bash (which most likely will result only in rider crossing without the bike...lol).
The most important part (as you have already stated)...practice, practice, practice! This can be done anywhere, first without any obstacle than gradually build up. Enough practice will enable you to actually control the height of your front wheel.
Oh and BTW, this same technique should be used for crossing ruts and ditches too...

Thanks again for your log crossing 'lesson'. I'll look forward to your next installment


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: crash] #15190 11/15/06 04:14 AM
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I'm glad some riders got a kick out of this. Thanks to all for the kind words. It just looks so wrong on the XT but man it's fun.

Kathy - You're on top of the technique. Thanks for speaking out and supplying the additive comments. I'm hoping I can hit up that log this weekend. It's calling me.


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Muniac] #38280 09/24/08 10:26 PM
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This artical saved my.....bacon.... this last ride!! Great write-up Muniac!


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Thanks Muniac
I'm going to have a practice at that, my usual technique is to get my ass over the rear and close my eyes whilst gassing it
Normally works but all too often the rear end jumps up resulting in watery eyes
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Always glad to help out. There are a lot of bikes out there from big adventure types to small two strokes. When the ride is done it pretty much boils down to skill. I dedicate the above article to those wishing to move forward with their riding skills.

This same crossing is much harder on an MTB.


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Re: Crossing Logs [Re: Muniac] #43135 01/13/09 02:25 AM
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I have been trying this since I got the XT.
I get across the log much smaller log but it sure isn't pretty.
I can't seem to load the front springs or my timing is off.
Guess I will keep tying...still new to the dirt..but it sure fun!

Also can you point me in the right direction on crossing ditches abt 2 to 3 ft wide abt 2 ft deep and strait down.
Again I get across by pulling up on the handle bars but just can't get the front wheel up.

Thanks for the great article

Fred


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