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Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149415 11/25/20 03:44 PM
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Been a while, Andy. Nice to have you back! Pretty much anything designed for these bikes, if kept adjusted and well lubed, will do the job. At $17 you won't go too wrong with Rocky Mountain drive chains. Wasn't sure you if were using the chain you bought on your XT, or on an ATV - but either way it's good to read your posts again! Looking forward to more as time goes by..


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Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149417 11/25/20 06:08 PM
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Non o-ring chains definitely have much less friction than o-ring chains, just have to keep them clean and lubed so they'll last.


This shall pass, be still and know.
2006 XT225, UNI filter, ProTaper bars, MSR handguards, SS front brake line, Shinko 241's.
Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149426 11/26/20 08:18 PM
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Isn't the X ring chain the happy medium for longevity, with less power loss than an O ring chain. What you reckon?


Current: 1958 Ariel 650 FH, 2014 Tiger Sport1050, 1995 XT225 Serow, 2016 Tiger 800 XRx.
Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: Paul49] #149429 11/27/20 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Paul49
Isn't the X ring chain the happmedium for longevity, with less power loss than an O ring chain. What you reckon?


Thats what they say.


This shall pass, be still and know.
2006 XT225, UNI filter, ProTaper bars, MSR handguards, SS front brake line, Shinko 241's.
Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149433 11/27/20 08:40 PM
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Back in the 1980's when we used standard chains, we'd only get approx. 1,000 miles out of a chain kit with 50/50 road/trail riding.

My Serow had an O ring chain. In 2014 I fitted an X ring DID VX 428 with 16/47 sprockets. I changed the 16T front to 15T after approx 3,500 miles, It was a bit over-geared with a 120/90 tyre. This kit has covered 6,200miles up to now, still good.
I have a touring Scottoiler kit fitted which helps keep the chain clean & well lubed.

This is the make/model of chain I fitted, says here it's good for a 350cc, should last ok on a Serow then.
https://sprocketcenter.com/did-chain-428-vx-x-ring-chain-gold-choose-length.html#:~:text=DID%20428VX%20is%20a%20350cc%20Rated%20X%27ring%20Sealed,that%20occur%20in%20a%20rider%E2%80%99s%20real%20world%20experience.


Current: 1958 Ariel 650 FH, 2014 Tiger Sport1050, 1995 XT225 Serow, 2016 Tiger 800 XRx.
Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149445 11/30/20 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NoBs
..I'm purchasing a 2019 XT-250 next week.. It's going to be a major downgrade from my previous bikes but I need a smaller bike since I have some OA in both knees and need a seat height exactly like the XT 250. I can get used to the power downgrade but from what I've been riding and seeing on videos a few extra Hp would make a major difference. Any quick and easy ways of getting a few more. Exhaust muffler would be the last choice due to the cost.. I'm thinking of dropping some weight ( the bike, not me ) and a tooth less on the countershaft sprocket for starters.. While its not real hp, the bike would certainly react like a couple were added. Hopefully you guys can suggest something ?..

The XT250 I had, a 5 speed 2012 model, did well with a one tooth smaller drive sprocket while riding off-road. As you say though, it wasn't a real HP increase, and the smaller drive sprocket seriously impacted the bike's top speed. I rode it with the smaller sprocket in place to compensate for its lack of a lower first gear. Finally I put the original drive sprocket back on and sold the bike, going almost immediately back to a 6 speed XT225 in its place - which to me was a much better 'fit' for the riding I did while living in the Valley, and still do here in the high country..


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Re: A few more ponies please ? [Re: NoBs] #149485 12/04/20 08:29 AM
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The XT250 is still around for 2021, unfortunately it comes in a hideously ugly color. Gray, gray, and more gray. You can go with slightly lower gearing for off road use, but that will make it almost impossible to ride on road. It will barely handle road speeds with stock gearing. One thing I absolutely do NOT recommend is a low restriction air filter. For off road use, you need the most effective air filter you can get, even if it lowers power. The sole purpose of an air filter is to keep dirt out of the engine. It is not a tuning part. Unfortunately the air filter is one place where the XT250 comes up short over the XT225. The 250 uses a super expensive throwaway paper air filter. The 225 uses a cleanable oiled foam filter. After just one day of riding in the AZ desert, my filter is completely caked with dirt, so much so that oily dirt breaks off in chunks and drops to the bottom of the airbox. But I just take it out, clean it in gasoline, let it dry, soak it in oil, squeeze out the excess, and put it back. If you are careful you can clean and reoil it 10-15 times. And even a new one costs a lot less than the XT250 filter.


I use non O-ring chains. I have two. They use clip on master links, and it takes less than a minute to remove or reinstall one. When one gets dirty, I remove it, soak it in gasoline, scrub it clean (off the bike) then drop it in a jug of motor oil to soak. I have another one that has already been cleaned, and soaking in oil. I take it out of the oil, hang it up and let it drip into a bucket for a little while, and put it on the bike. I just keep swapping between the two chains. I found that the silica sand in the AZ desert chews up O-rings in a fairly short time.


The above is my opinion. Your mileage may vary.
1994/2001 custom built XT225 with a ton of aftermarket parts.



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