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Oil Filter Question #148301 06/23/20 08:38 PM
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Well it's me again with more typical newbie questions. My original oil filter coming out has 4 small holes and 2 very large holes in the closed end. The 2 large holes apparently fit over the 2 pointed rubber tips inside the filter cage and the exterior is just smooth wire mesh. The new OEM, ( 5ho-13440-09 ), is pleated and has no bigger holes for those rubber tits to fit into, and it's also 1/8th inch longer. It does have the 4 small holes. So do I have the right one? Looks like the one in this link. Thanks

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XT225 filter on the left. XT250 filter on the right. Physically interchangeable but not functionally interchangeable. Using a 250 filter in a 225 will starve the valve train of oil and ruin the head. Very dumb on Yamahas part.

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Thanks for the pic. Do any of you lay your bikes on side and add oil to the filter cage before closing it up. I've never thought of doing anything like that and have just depended on the oil pump in other bikes. See about 7:10 of this vid to understand what I'm referring to. Thanks

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I've never done that when changing oil. The oil appears at the check bolt pretty quickly once it's started, note that he omits that very important step.

I'd also recommend you change the oil more often than every 3000 miles. Some here change it every 500. It only holds 1 qt and the filter can be cleaned and re-used so oil changes are cheap.


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Yeah, that seems a bit over kill. Where is the oil check bolt. Thanks

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The oil check bolt may not be on all model years. My 2007 does not have one. At least not according to the manual.

So being always cautious I made darn certain the replacement filter looked almost identical to the OEM version and the one I pulled out of the bike. Followed the service manual procedures for oil change with filter replacement, and perhaps most importantly once completed let the motor idle for a while to check for leaks and ensure oil was circulating to the upper cylinder head. No unusual noises from the valves so did a quick loop down the road to confirm. All was good.

Note: need up buying 2 quarts of Yamalube, 100% synthetic. My motor doesn't burn a drop. So I use the extra oil for lubing the chain. By the time the remaining oil is gone it will be time for another oil change.

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Mine is 2007 as well. Same blue and white trim as yours. I didn't see any reference in the oil change section of the manual to an oil check bolt. Thanks for posting up the link for the manual in my first thread, has helped answer several questions. Oh, did yours have the original oil filter in it. Still curious as to what the 2 big holes were for in it vs the newer OEM replacement and does yours have the 2 rubber tits inside the filter housing?

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Sorry, gentlemen, but the 2007 XT225 DOES have a oil check bolt. No idea why the manual doesn't mention it. This is my second XT225, in my previous one the manual very definitely stated the oil flow should be checked after an oil change by removing or loosening this bolt. Just checked my my owner's manual for the 2007 and sure enough, it doesn't talk about it. But the bolt is there, just as it was in my previous bike, and I do check it when I change my oil. It is the bolt closest to the spark plug - just behind and slightly above it. Wish I had the ability to post a photo but I don't.

Very simple procedure. Once you've completed the oil change, either remove that bolt altogether or just back it out till it is only in there by one thread or so. Fire up the engine and if oil oozes out past the bolt then you are fine. If you've removed the bolt, oil will squirt out strongly so make sure to have a rag over the hole. Shut the engine off and tighten the oil check bolt back down.


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The oil check bolt is circled. I would assume nearly all 225's have this. There's a copper washer under the head of the bolt. The process is exactly how Deserteagle describes. This confirms oil flow to the head and bleeds out any air bubbles.


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There's little value in pre-filling the oil filter because it doesn't have an anti-drain back valve. Some automotive oil filters have an anti-drain back valve for when the filter is installed in an orientation where the oil would normally drain out of it when the engine isn't running. The XT doesn't have this, so it's functionally dry every time you start it. The residual film that sticks to all the surfaces provides lubrication for the first couple seconds until the oil starts flowing.


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I drilled my check bolt down the centre with a small drill, then in to meet that hole at 3mm from the head, 'cos I I had to take the bolt almost out, sometimes out, then I'd get oil everywhere. Now I undo it a couple of threads to burp it.


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I already started it, sounded like it was getting oil to the top. But now that it is established that there is a bolt I may just loosen it anyway just to burp it. ( Burping your engine, I don't think I've ever heard of that before though )

The 2 rubber tits in the oil filter housing and the 2 large holes in the original OEM filter are now resolved. The rubber end of the filter that goes in first had come off of the filter and was stuck inside the housing. I had never seen an original or replacement filter before so I had no idea.

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What would you guys do?...

I've owned lots of bikes before, so when I changed the oil on this new to me XT225 I didn't think about checking to make sure the filter had 4 holes, nor did I know about the oil bleed bolt.

I changed the oil and filter, and have since gone riding... easily rode it an hour or two, some at top speed, and had no issues at all.

Now I learn about the filter issue and bleed bolt and am paranoid.

My first thought is to do an oil change and check the filter for the 4 holes.

My second thought is just start the bike and check that oil is getting through and if it is then I can presume the correct filter is installed.

My third thought is that if I already rode this for well over an hour and I didn't seize it, then I must have the correct filter installed and oil must be getting to the head or I would have already done the damage.

Thoughts? (and at least now I know for next time!)

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Just my opinion, but if you rode the bike for an hour without a problem there's little doubt you installed the correct filter. If I were you I'd pull the filter and double check just to make sure.


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Had I been home when I wrote the above, it would have been quicker just to check than to write that.

In case anyone is wondering, with the bike leaned over about 45 degrees, no oil comes out when you open the filter cover. I was prepared for a mess, and prepared to dump the oil and start fresh, but it wasn't necessary.

My filter has the four holes, so all is good.

Tomorrow (so I don't wake the neighbours) I'll open the bleed bolt to make sure no air in the system. All is good. Thanks for the knowledge.


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Visser, best of luck as you seek answers to questions you'll ask as time goes by. Glad your XT's oil filter is the right one. Enjoy your bike and everything the site has to offer, and ride safely!..


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As documented many places here, an XT250/XT225 oil filter mix up can destroy your engine by blocking oil flow. Broken record on this is OK since it's serious business. Double, double check on the filter. As for oil in the chamber cavity, I never had lots of oil coming out when I changed the filter.

Another thing to inspect is cracks in the pleat folds. High crown bends tend to be weak areas and can open up. That pleated filter can be cleaned and reused many times. I recall Yamaha using metal micro screen in there which can be cleaned with toothbrush and diesel fuel. The rubber gasket on that filter can also get left behind when you remove it. Check that out too.


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Re: Oil Filter Question [Re: Kenny4] #148346 06/29/20 02:29 PM
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I had the gasket stick to the housing on a car once. Didn't notice and installed the new filter with 2 gaskets. Strangely, 2 gaskets was far worse than one. I had a big puddle of oil in the driveway to clean up. Dad wasn't happy, but at least it was clean oil. Then I had to figure out how to get to the parts store to get more oil with a car that didn't have much left in it. After that, I always check the old filter to be sure the gasket came with it. It's never happened again.


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I'm also careful with checking gaskets on oil filters. Always do my own oil changes as there are too many mistakes that can be made with severe consequences for the owner of the vehicle. I'm referring to the oil change franchise whorehouses. All while a trained specialist destroys your car as you're in the waiting room. F that!

As for the XT225, its oil drain plug is really delicate. Special care needed to remove it and reinstall it. A nightmare if threads get damaged. I can't say I've seen many threaded parts that can get more easily crossed than the XT225 oil drain plug.


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