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Ridin' Arklahoma! #146416 11/17/19 01:55 AM
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Thought I'd spin off a new thread, seein' as the other was getting a mite long. Thought this one would be for rides along the border of Arkansas and Oklahoma. Here we go!

Recon Ride 11/16/19.

Took Lil' Goat out for a sure 'nuf trail ride again. Actually, this was recon for Day Two of the 2021 Vinduro ride that I'm already scouting and looking for suitable trails/roads for vinduro tiddlers. Founds some good stuff... along with some that's not so good for vintage tiddler bikes and vintage bodies!

The ride started off by climbing up on the ridge of South Mountain. Once up on the ridge, there's some pretty neat vistas!





I continued along the ridge on South Mountain over some really nice single lane trails:







Eventually coming to another vista area. (There are several on this particular single lane trail.)





For decades, this particular spot has been one of my favorite places to eat lunch in this range of mountains. So, I retrieved my protein bar and a bottle of water out of my tool pack, and sat on the rocks enjoying the view and the day in general:





The great single lane continued:







At this point I decided to revisit an old trail I haven't ridden in quite some time (years). Once on it, I quickly saw that it had grown up some and the creek crossings have deteriorated. However, the Lil' Goat made short work of this rock-infested crossing:





This picture below doesn't really convey the mass of it, but there's an interesting rock formation at this particular creek crossing:





Leaving this creek crossing, I soon came upon a crossing that had scoured out quite a bit from all the heavy run-off over the years and its depth was suspect, so I cut my losses and turned around and rode back out.

From there it was more great single lane stuff and lots of exploring:







In all, it was a really good day to be out in the mountains. At this point, I'm encouraged that I think I can string enough good stuff (i.e. vinduro bike and vintage rider friendly) together so that I can used this area for Day Two of VDS Tiddler '21.

All fer now!

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Soak up all the good riding weather you can for as long as you can V-man. Pretty trails, pleasant days make for great outings and fun photos. It won't last forever, not with winter stompin' its feet as it approaches your doorstep, so keep on keepin' on, and thanks again for sharing your Lil' Goat adventures with the rest of us!
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Thanks for posting the RR. Very nice terrain with some "moments" to deal with which makes it more fun. You certainly had beautiful weather for the ride.

We got two early snow storms which pretty much finished off any access to our high country roads. Snow sits up there and just bleeds for weeks. Daytime runoff freezes at night creating packs of flow ice.

So our Fall access got cut way short this season. Following the storms the weather has been beautiful. You enjoy as much Fall riding as you can. Snow may fly here again come Wednesday. Be safe.


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Looks like a good day in the woods for sure.


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Wife and I rode Monday and yesterday. Nice weather. No pics.

Bombshell on the way home: She talked like she would be up for Colorado again IF we stay with the types of roads she's comfortable with: Forest type roads.

Wow. Unexpected. Recall if you will that upon her return to riding, she was adamant: "NO COLORADO!" Also recall that Colorado is where she did a pretty brutal "stop n' plop" (more like a body slam) that resulted in bruised ribs.

Needless to say, her saying she could enjoy Colorado again took me by surprise.

However, that does raise a question: Wonder how the XT225 will fare in the higher elevations? Last one burbled once in the 8,000' and up range.

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In our area there are lots of beautiful secondary roads that wouldn't present technical challenges. Elevation might be a factor as you'd likely be over 10k feet. Other roads are difficult to ride and technical. A stock XT225 will usually do well up to 12k feet. It's jetted lean to begin with which helps. Scree is a factor on many of our secondary roads and some riders don't like riding on it.

It's really hard to call another rider's "would be" impressions on a given road. In the San Juan Mountains, you'll see reasonably steep grades everywhere. This alone can be intimidating. Weather is another factor as it's always capricious in the mountains given micro climates.


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Ah, that's right Muniac, you LIVE in Colorado, so you should be very familiar with the riding there!

I think my XT225 ended up being jetted a bit richer than stock on account of the boogered up jets it had.

Historically, in Colorado the wife's ridden:

* Phantom Canyon then that other railroad roadbed road w/tunnels over toward Colorado Springs, via going down "Stagecoach Road(?) to Colorado Springs. She did have an incident on the Stagecoach Road on account of that small pea gravel that I think you're calling "skree"?

* Portions of Cinnamon/Engineer Pass out of Lake City.

* Waunita Pass

* Black Sage Pass

* Marshall Pass.

* Chalk Creek Canyon road out of Buena Vista to the old town of Hancock.

* Some really nice forest roads (ran out of time) over between Buena Vista and Salida on the east side of the highway toward Trout Creek Pass.

* Other odds and ends in CO and NM.

I would sum it up by saying that if one could drive their 2WD family car over a road question, then she'd be okay with riding it.

I have a huge map of the San Juans, and I also have a thick book about jeeping in Colorado that we have used successfully to plot routes that she can handle. However, one really needs to know the area to see and ride the good stuff (scenic).

For example, on one of our trips to CO, we trailering our bikes and on our way to Crested Butte for a day of riding, we stopped at Gunnison at the dirt bike shop owned by Fritz Kadlec. Upon hearing what we had planned, he pulled out a map and showed us an old farm road that was near our proposed ride and said it was great and easy for the wife. We rode it and it was super! Something like 20 miles single lane with no civilization! We loved it.

All fer now!

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You've thus ridden a lot here in Colorado. Covering front range and western slope. This is a BIG state and filled with a lifetime of rides. Possibilities limited only by time and energy.

I'm sure you know the Charles Wells 4WD drive books which are helpful in identifying rides. You may not know about Trail Damage which is a 4WD club that documents many of their runs. That site has changed over the years so I don't know how much guest information is provided. Access to some information may require a membership.

We had another snow storm over the last three days. It dumped a good amount in the north & south San Juan Mountains high country. Depending on what kind of a winter we have, dry high country roads won't be seen until July/August. This Summer snow remained in slides and north facing aspects.


Approaching Hurricane Pass July 3rd 2019.


Approaching Cork Screw Pass June 23rd 2019.


US550 near Red Mountain Pass Feb 7th 2019 (Photo courtesy CDOT)

Predictions are for another tough winter. As for slides and avalanches which do severe damage to roads, that depends on our snow pack and how well the layers will bond. This past season a lot of roads were severely damaged.


Avalanche damage on Cork Screw Pass Rd. Oct 2nd 2019.

Ride safely and know before you go.


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Sorry for being lax in getting back to my Arklahoma thread here.

Muniac:

Wow! Some amazing pictures (Red Mountain Pass in the snow)... and some saddening pictures (Corkscrew Pass carnage).

At this point, the wife is most interested in stationing in Gunnison, and on Day One ride from Sargent to Pitkin, eat, return. Day Two ride Sargent over Marshall Pass, to Salida, eat and return. Day Three (IF there's a Day Three) could be Gunnison to Crested Butte via a farm road we rode our last time there, eat, and return. Of course, all this could change.

General:

I've been riding, as has been the wife, but I've been on the WR250R for the most part and I've been too lazy to take pics of us when out. I'm currently holed up on account of the weather's not too accommodating. Wife's holed up 'cause she's battling the "Crud".

XT225 plans:

Trying to put together a ride with a friend that lives about 1 1/2 hrs from me to go explore this trail:



That trail is an old trail that goes west, up and over "High Top Mountain" for a fur piece. The last time I rode it, the steep portions were rutted with significant ravines, along with being liberally strewn with softball, melon, and basket ball rocks. Not for the faint of heart. I have recently heard that the onslaught of ATV's and RZr's have caused those enthusiasts to fill some of the ravines with rocks.

I would like to have someone with me to not only see how what kind of shape that trail is in, and would also attempt 9 Mile and Rock Creek trails.

Said friend volunteered to go with me to accomplish the above exploring (good to have a bike along when tackling some potentially tough trails) so I said set up a time with me and lets go! He was going to forego riding his porky CRF450L and instead ride either a DR200E or a CRF230L.

I figure colder temps would be best, for speeds will be slow and we'll exert more riding them as opposed to dual sporting forest roads. (Except Rock Creek trail wouldn't be too fun during colder temps on account of potentially getting our feet wet.)

Alas, that was nearly a week ago and thus far I've heard no response from my riding friend.

Anyway, I have plans for the XT225 and will start accomplishing them by myself if I have too.

All fer now!

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Thanks for the update. Good on you for the RRs and enthusiasm. Exploring new routes can be fun. Jeannie and I did a lot of that some years back. Not so much anymore.

You'll find plenty to ride on over in the Gunnison area. I think there are many miles of secondary roads that shouldn't be difficult. The idea is to have fun, avoid crashes, see sights and return safely to do it again another day.

This winter hasn't been as tough as last season (yet). We just had a storm a couple of days ago that dumped 6-8" at the house. More up in the mountains. Biggest storm we've had this season and not predicted. 4F at the house (early AM) so we've been dealing with a cold snap.

Post when the spirit moves you. Happy New Year!


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Originally Posted By: Vinduroman
.....I've been riding, as has been the wife, but I've been on the WR250R for the most part and I've been too lazy to take pics of us when out. I'm currently holed up on account of the weather's not too accommodating. Wife's holed up 'cause she's battling the "Crud"..

Know what you mean about the weather not accommodating. Going on a week of snow here. People having a hard time getting out of their properties to the road, then staying on the road instead of sliding into the ditch. Top that off with trying to shake the 'crud', probably the same stuff your wife is battling, and inside by the fire is pretty much our speed right now. Can't imagine trying to get somewhere on two wheels at the moment!..


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Hi All!

We're still kickin' and doin' fine. That "crud" I mentioned above turns out it just may have been the "first wave" of this virus mess that has our country in shut down mode. However, we've been doing our part in staying away from large crowds/etc. In fact, what better way to social distance than out by ourselves on our motorcycles in the mountains?

Exactly. There ain't.

SO, we've been doing as much of that as the weather allows. Of late we've been hitting the Ozarks quite a bit and making day long adventures of our rides. Next ride ought to be this coming Thursday. Great times. Here's a couple of pics that include our XT225.

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I hope all of you are doing well in the face of this virus panic/hysteria and accompanying government overreach some states/localities are experiencing.

All fer now!

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Nice! ....nothing like a ride for a little social distancing smile

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Originally Posted by Vinduroman
..Hi All!

We're still kickin' and doin' fine. That "crud" I mentioned above turns out it just may have been the "first wave" of this virus mess that has our country in shut down mode. However, we've been doing our part in staying away from large crowds/etc. In fact, what better way to social distance than out by ourselves on our motorcycles in the mountains?

Exactly. There ain't..

Glad to see you two out and about V-man. This 'social distancing' thing has some surprising upsides to it, and riding quiet mountain trails with your wife is is one of those.

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..I hope all of you are doing well in the face of this virus panic/hysteria and accompanying government overreach some states/localities are experiencing..

When the 'powers-that-be' aren't even marginally prepared for what they've known and been warned is coming, the only thing left is 'government overreach' in one form or another - and that's getting old really fast.


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V-man - Thanks for posting a RR. Gorgeous weather too. Always nice to assembly the riding team to get out and recreate. You guys ride safely, enjoy and stay healthy.

As for the virus, the world is paddling in uncharted waters. With hindsight always being 20/20. They used to call them Monday morning quarterbacks. As per last night's Presidential Briefing there was optimism with infection curves flattening. Also hospitals are not overloaded. Extra "remote" hospital beds (ships and convention centers) are well under utilized with some being empty. These are being dismantled. The message being mitigation efforts have been helpful. The mentality has always been prepare for the worst and hope for the best. A task force is underway now to evaluate how best to get our (USA) economy started back up. My guess is this will be done on a regional basis. Starting with the least infected areas.

As for equipment, our extra capacity will be shared with other nations in need.

We've been luck here with just about no impact on our activities. All the outdoor places we enjoy are open with nobody around. Fingers crossed this week we reach a turning point on the way back to the new normal.


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Glad you're able to get out and enjoy it. Wish I had more time for that.


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Hope y'all are right about the gubment thing. I too, hope this passes soon and we can start rebuilding our economy and start returning toward a semblance of "normal" day-to-day living.

Our plans are still to head back to the Ozarks come Thursday. Forecast calling for sunny and a high in the mid-60s. Some more pics from some of our recent "Social Distancing" forays into the Ozarks...

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We avoid the need for any trip to a general store for lunch by packing our own protein bars/etc. (We love Met-RX "Chocolate Cookie Crunch" bars!) We also have a favorite picnic area where the setting and scene is nice...

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All fer now!

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Very nice! Thanks for sharing. Glad you are able to get out and enjoy the countryside.

Stay safe.

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Thanks for posting the additional pixs. Pretty country out your way. Jeannie and I have been making remote meals for years to enjoy after an outing.

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Mill Meadow Reservoir Torrey, UT 7/31/2013

The charcoal grill is now a propane grill and the menu has expanded some. We usually pic remote places where nobody is around. Can score some great views while we eat.

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Yea, I'm all for getting the economy back up and running ASAP. Many businesses around here are getting killed!


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Originally Posted by Vinduroman

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Wow, and I thought the rivers around here were muddy. Is that recent heavy rain, or does it normally look like that?


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That's actually a lake, "Shores Lake". And yes, there have been continual heavy rains off/on all winter as well as recently. A lake takes a lot longer to "settle" than the creeks that rush over rocks. Rocks and rocky creek beds seem to help filter the sediment out of the water in few days.

As for that picture: I think on the ride in which I took that photo, it had rained (again) the night before, and the creeks were still showing that evidence. Plus, in warmer weather during spring, we have this "green dust" (pollen) that covers EVERYTHING, and it too, will color the water. Best water effects in my part of the world is in the dead of winter. Lastly, underbrush along the creek banks also contribute to the color of the water. If it's a wet winter (and it has been), and the water is running good, after a day or so after a rain is when it's at its cleanest. Otherwise, given the dirt/sediment and "green dust", there can be a light green tint as is evidenced by the above rushing creek scene. (However, that scene will have clearer water in another 24 hours as the rocks do their filtering thing.)

Our sandstone-based creeks are never truly "clear". Truly "clear" creeks are in the Ozark and Ouachita regions where there's more flint content in the rocks. Creeks in those regions can be clear enough to where you can plainly see the creek bottom in 6' or so of still water. IMHO, Colorado has some of the clearest creeks in our nation. Lack of underbrush, not as much pollen "green dust" in the spring, snow melt run-off, and the type of rocks there, contribute to truly spectacular creeks. We (wife and I) love being next to creeks in Colorado.

Our preferred mountains are the Rockies... but we're thankful we live where we live in that there are at least a type of mountains. We enjoy our mountains to the utmost until we can get out and get ourselves a Colorado "fix". Having lived a couple of looooong years out in western Oklahoma in "red dirt country"... I can truly say there are far worse places (for my tastes) to live for dirt biking!! Thus, we thank God for where we live!

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Some of our creeks have iron deposits that color the rocks and creek bed. Heavy Spring melt waters will stir up mud and silt which makes the water run murky brown or with a greenish tinge. Calmer flows tend to run clear in most creeks. We'll usually see that in late Summer and during the Fall.

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Red Mountain Creek - 1/29/2017

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Red Mountain Creek 10/29/2017

Water flows are constantly changing up in the mountains.


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Hey crew!

Just sayin' "HI!" and letting all you all know that Wild Child (wife) and I are still riding. Wild Child is the one that mainly rides our XT225 when we go for a "big bike" dual sport ride and we've already been on many rides since our riding season has hit.

HOWEVER...

In addition to our dual sport rides on the "big bikes", she now has her very own Yamaha vinduro "tiddler" that she rides when we do a "vinduro tiddler" dual sport ride. Here a month or so ago she purchased a '73 Yamaha AT-3 125. I went through it for her (serviced it, fixed/replaced issues/etc). It runs great and except for wear items (tires/chain/etc) it is 100% original. I slicked it up as best I could but left it pretty untouched seeing as its an original survivor bike.

Anyway, we've already been on three "vinduro dual sport" outings and she loves "Lil' Blue" (her AT-3). Here's a pic of her with Lil' Blue on her last "vinduro dual sport" ride we took.

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For that ride, I was riding my '72 DKW GS125. Both bikes are tagged/insured here in OK and we can ride them wherever street legal vehicles are allowed. That's cool.

On Satuday, Nov 7, we're both going to be participating in the T-Town Tiddler Fall Ride that's to be based out of our home town this year. Looking at 85 miles of back roads on our tiddlers. Ought to be about a couple dozen tiddlers that show up for the ride. When she learned of the T-Town Tiddlers rides, she wanted her own tiddler for the yearly Fall/Spring T-Town Tiddlers rides!

All fer now!

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Glad you guys are still riding and enjoying the experience. Any morale boosting content is much welcome. Be safe!


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Cool!


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'Wild Child' and her AT-3 125 seem a perfect match. Good on her and good on both of you for getting out and about on two wheels as often as you do!

The closest I ever came to the AT-3 125 two stroke was a new Honda 125 four stroke trials bike back in the mid '70s. Loved that little mountain goat like Wild Child loves her AT-3!

Enjoy your riding adventures and keep the reports coming!


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