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#142947 - 09/13/18 03:32 AM Yet Another Tire Question
CraigAZ Offline
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Hi Folks, Sorry for bringing up a question that has probably been beaten to death, but after spending hours reading various reviews I'm still undecided. I have a 2001 XT that I intend to use to wander around the southern AZ desert tracking down ghost towns (and maybe for the occasional beer run). Most of what I've read seems to lean towards tires like the Kenda 760 or the Continental TKC80. I have a lot of 4WD experience, but zero off-road bike experience. Intuitively though, tires like the Kenda or Conti with those big lugs would be like trying to run a Ditch Witch down a soft sand dry wash at a crawl - they'd just dig themselves into a hole. I'm leaning towards a set of the Pirelli MT43s, but only because it looks like more of an all-terrain type tire. Any suggestions are welcome for a tire capable of slow speed
rock crawling but with good flotation capabilities.
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#142948 - 09/13/18 10:09 AM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
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Ayup Craig, the MT43 are a trials tyre with a bigger O/D you will need a longer chain to fit it in, & also either smaller front or larger rear sprocket to maintain same gearing. I'd go with a 47T rear & start with a 126 link chain, you can easy cut it down.

It's a good tyre for most stuff but not so clever in mud or sand. I might go for them next time.

I've just fitted a pair of Dunlop Geomax to mine. I don't do much off-road now but the single track roads I use can get muddy, cow muck and snow in winter.
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#142949 - 09/13/18 01:44 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
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I use the Shinko 241 which is also a trials tread pattern in a DOT compound. It's great for slow speed stuff. I've only ridden in shallow sand with a hard base and it does fine. Its not so great in soupy mud. The tire works much better when hooked up with minimal spinning. It's not like an MX tire with huge, self-cleaning lugs that wants to be spun. The light weight of the bike helps it float a bit.

As Paul says, the MT43 is huge. You'll need a longer chain and to gear the bike down significantly, especially if you're thinking of rock crawling.
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#142961 - 09/15/18 02:28 AM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
CraigAZ Offline
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Thanks for the info guys! I missed the fact that the Pirellis are only available in one size - huge. Already intend to replace both of the sprockets and the chain when I take the wheels off, I'll probably never see 50 mph on or off the road. Another question though, reading further I see Pirelli mentions that as a trials tire the MT43 has a stiffer sidewall. Is that the case with Shinko 241 as well? And is that a good thing for abrasion resistance or a bad thing for aired-down flotation? The Shinko 244 looks like it might be a compromise between a trials tire and something good for digging trenches in soft sand, any opinions?
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#142971 - 09/16/18 01:35 AM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
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I've not had any sidewall issues with the 241, but I don't run trials pressures off road. About 15psi works for me. I don't like pinch flats and I try to keep from beating up the rims.

The 244 is a typical 50/50 tire, it should work reasonably well.
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#142982 - 09/17/18 03:39 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
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YMMV, but my experience (desert riding for the past 50 years) has been that in the loose stuff, the more aggressive the knobby the better. I'd forgotten how much a trials-type tire can "skate" on a loose road surface until I went to test ride the 2007 XT225 I bought a few years ago. It was still shod with the OEM tires and I like to wrecked every time I tried to make a turn on sand or loose gravel. First thing I did when I got it home was to put the Kenda 270s on it. Problem solved.
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#142983 - 09/17/18 03:49 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: Deserteagle56]
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Originally Posted By: Deserteagle56
YMMV, but my experience (desert riding for the past 50 years) has been that in the loose stuff, the more aggressive the knobby the better. I'd forgotten how much a trials-type tire can "skate" on a loose road surface until I went to test ride the 2007 XT225 I bought a few years ago. It was still shod with the OEM tires and I like to wrecked every time I tried to make a turn on sand or loose gravel. First thing I did when I got it home was to put the Kenda 270s on it. Problem solved.


I believe the OEM tires were Bridgestone Trailwings... aka "death wings". Named that because they had a reputation for giving basically no warning before completely giving up.
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#142997 - 09/19/18 05:13 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: CraigAZ]
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If I was doing mostly offroad, the Kenda K760 Trakmaster II would be my first choice every time. It is nearly like a paddle tire, which is ideal for sand, IMO.

For 50:50, the Shinko 244 is fantastic. Corners like a champ on tarmac and keeps up really well off road except for that deep, sticky mud.
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#143008 - 09/20/18 07:06 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: peejman]
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I believe the OEM tires were Bridgestone Trailwings... aka "death wings". Named that because they had a reputation for giving basically no warning before completely giving up.

peejman: What do you mean "giving up"?


Edited by onceona50 (09/20/18 07:09 PM)
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#143009 - 09/20/18 08:26 PM Re: Yet Another Tire Question [Re: onceona50]
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Originally Posted By: onceona50
I believe the OEM tires were Bridgestone Trailwings... aka "death wings". Named that because they had a reputation for giving basically no warning before completely giving up.

peejman: What do you mean "giving up"?


Slide. They were known for abruptly losing all traction on asphalt. One second your riding along, the next you're picking yourself up wondering what just happened. Slides were unrecoverable with no warning.
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