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#136039 - 03/18/17 07:07 PM Resistance even with clutch in?
Awek99 Offline
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I have a brand new XT250, and when I got it I realized the clutch was way out of spec. No freeplay at all. I had to tighten the adjustments almost all the way in order for it to fully engage the gear. Before I did that it would feel like the clutch was partially pulled even though it wasn't, and the gear would slip with any power at all. I could push the bike forward in first gear with the clutch out, without the engine turning over. So I fixed it with adjustment, but now I feel like I went too far, because now with the clutch pulled all the way in, there's still a moment of resistance before I can roll. And when starting the engine in gear (with clutch pulled all the way in) it pulls forward just a tad, for a moment. But if I back the adjustment off any more it slips out of gear like before. Is this normal or do I need to make the trip back to the dealer with it and have it looked at?

Also aside from that, the stock oil filter was way whack. It got shoved in with the rear gasket folded in half, and the pleats looked damaged.

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#136045 - 03/19/17 12:07 AM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Awek99]
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If you took delivery of a new bike in that sort of shape, I wouldn't take it back to that dealer, I'd take It to a different one. That's pretty sad.

My experience with Yamaha clutches in general is that there's not much room between one that slips and one that won't fully disengage. A turn or two is all the adjustment there is.

The lurch when putting a running bike in gear is normal, especially on a relatively cold bike. It shouldn't leap out from under you, but a minor forward lurch isn't unusual.

Best way I know of to check the clutch setting is to get up to 50mph or so in top gear, then whack the throttle wide open. If the bike just accelerates, it's fine. If it slips at all, you need to tighten it slightly.
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#136052 - 03/19/17 04:48 AM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: peejman]
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I agree with Peejman.

Also, check your oil level, and you might want to dump the factory oil and replace it with Mobil One 0W-40, 10W-40, or 15W-50). Weights with various additive packages that many here like.

Alexd
P.S. I would check that the correct oil filter is being used. I SUSPECT but don't know!!! That a XT225 filter can go in and not hurt a XT250 (the other way around will absolutely damage a XT225 engine).



Edited by alexd (03/19/17 04:51 AM)
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#136072 - 03/20/17 05:23 PM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Awek99]
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Some people have surfaced the ideas that synthetic oil can cause clutch slipping. This is a myth. I've used Mobil I in both bikes for some 12k miles and our clutches work fine. At 18 HP, the wet clutch is well able to transmit torque without problems.

Small bump/knock is normal when selecting 1st gear with clutch level pulled in.
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#136074 - 03/20/17 07:44 PM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Muniac]
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Originally Posted By: Muniac
Some people have surfaced the ideas that synthetic oil can cause clutch slipping. This is a myth. I've used Mobil I in both bikes for some 12k miles and our clutches work fine. At 18 HP, the wet clutch is well able to transmit torque without problems.

Small bump/knock is normal when selecting 1st gear with clutch level pulled in.


The big 4 Superbikes with HP closing in on 200 at the crankshaft, similarly don't slip with synthetics. Of course they have stronger clutches too...but the point is that wet-sump synthetics work fine.

This is an old myth that might have had some validity for a few older bike models...but none today.

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#136079 - 03/21/17 02:46 AM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: peejman]
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Great answers, thanks! It sounds like I just need to find the sweet spot with it.

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#136084 - 03/21/17 03:39 PM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Awek99]
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Just check you have 3mm of freeplay on your clutch cable & all should be just fine.
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#136089 - 03/21/17 09:30 PM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: alexd]
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Originally Posted By: alexd
Originally Posted By: Muniac
Some people have surfaced the ideas that synthetic oil can cause clutch slipping. This is a myth. I've used Mobil I in both bikes for some 12k miles and our clutches work fine. At 18 HP, the wet clutch is well able to transmit torque without problems.

Small bump/knock is normal when selecting 1st gear with clutch level pulled in.


The big 4 Superbikes with HP closing in on 200 at the crankshaft, similarly don't slip with synthetics. Of course they have stronger clutches too...but the point is that wet-sump synthetics work fine.

This is an old myth that might have had some validity for a few older bike models...but none today.

Alexd


Older bike models.... My '93 GS500 slipped when I switched to full synthetic. No amount of adjusting would fix it. It quit slipping when I switched to semi-synthetic. That was in 2001 or so. YMMV.
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#136092 - 03/22/17 09:24 AM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Awek99]
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Amazing the difference oil can make. I put Millers full Syn motorcycle oil in my xt & suffered clutch drag felt in gear with clutch held in & pushing. Also it used a fair bit of oil.
I changed to Silkolene super 4 semi syn10w40 & it's free as a bird. minimal oil usage & no slip either.

Do you folks over the pond get Silkolene oils?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/SILKOLENE-SUPER-SYNTHETIC-MOTORCYCLE-ENGINE/dp/B00CEWJ16Q

I started using this Shell oil in my road bikes, cheap as chips, dunno why, it seems to be good oil:

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/p-69341-shell-...engine-oil.aspx

Mobil is real good oil as the boys say, but not so easy to find in my area of the UK.
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#136094 - 03/22/17 04:16 PM Re: Resistance even with clutch in? [Re: Awek99]
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Silkolene is available here, though only hot rod type places typically have it on the shelf. I used Shell Rotella in my road bike for several years because it was much less expensive than motorcycle specific oil, but the price difference isn't as much as it used to be.
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